Posts by Terra Incognita

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...A suggestion for the Next Six Screens Interview..A Quadruple Bill..Lars,OBVES,Este and StopTheTears...

by OUTLAW in

what would you think of an interview with 4 of the craziest people from jwn... lars,obves,este and stopthetears,all together,on one six screens show?...

god only knows how many personalities each one of them have... rick could end up with 20 guests with only 4 bodies... .

would lars,obves,este and stopthetears be willing to go on the six screens show?.

Terra Incognita

Wha happened?:"My money is on OBVES"

Isn't a drag queen Messiah more interesting?

By the way, Outlaw, does your choice of those 4 mean that Djeggnog is too rational to be one of them?

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Obama Offs Osama

by snowbird in

campaign promise fulfilled.. i just love the way obama pronounces pakistan: (pahk-ee-stohn).. syl.

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Gayle:

"JWs aren't going to like all this joy going on right now. They will just have negative stuff to say as they always do,,they are never happy."

Maybe the Witnesses can join Fokx News?

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Obama Offs Osama

by snowbird in

campaign promise fulfilled.. i just love the way obama pronounces pakistan: (pahk-ee-stohn).. syl.

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Thetrueone:

The US and any peaceful law abiding country should ban this religion to operate in their respective

countries for it incites hatred toward those not of this particular faith.

Not only it incites hatred but may to certain extremists of this faith, may incite to murder in the

name of their faith.

You never responded to my rebuttal of your point. Since you are cross posting it here it is again. This is what fundamentalist Chritians are evolving into. Dominionism, a Theocratic movement which wants to take over this nation and impose Old Testament law; is a growing phenomenom within a broad spectrum of Fundamentalist religions.

You are calling for the banning of this religion while ignoring Ultrafundamentalists, who have already inspired terroristic acts in the US and are poised to escalate these acts tremendously. They have a sizeable presence; extensive preparation; and are being iincited to violence by Republican politicians who are calling for insurrection and the overthrow of this government.

Before you read the article below, please realize that Sarah Palin and her husband are Christain Dominionists:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Also see:

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisrec.html

Dominionism and Dominion Theology

http://www.theocracywatch.org/dominionism.htm

Dominionism and Dominion Theology are not denominations or faith groups. Rather, they are interrelated beliefs which are followed by members of a wide range of Christian denominations.

In his article on dominionism, researcher and author Chip Berlet credits sociologist Sara Diamond with popularizing the term dominionism as "a growing political tendency in the Christian Right." Diamond defined dominionism in 1995 as:

Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns--and there is no consensus on when that might be.

"Dominionism," Berlet writes, "is .. a tendency among Protestant Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists that encourages them to not only be active political participants in civic society, but also seek to dominate the political process as part of a mandate from God.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (King James Version).
"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'" (New International Version).
The vast majority of Christians read this text and conclude that God has appointed them stewards and caretakers of Earth. As Sara Diamond explains, however, some Christian read the text and believe, "that Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns--and there is no consensus on when that might be." That, in a nutshell, is the idea of "dominionism."

The Christian Right, Dominionism and Theocracy - Part II by Chip Berlet, December 5, 2005:

In her 1989 book Spiritual Warfare , sociologist Sara Diamond discussed how dominionism as an ideological tendency in the Christian Right had been significantly influenced by Christian Reconstructionism. Over the past 20 years the leading proponents of Christian Reconstructionism and dominion theology have included Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, Gary North, Greg Bahnsen, David Chilton, Gary DeMar, and Andrew Sandlin.
Diamond explained that "the primary importance of the [Christian Reconstructionist] ideology is its role as a catalyst for what is loosely called 'dominion theology.'" According to Diamond, "Largely through the impact of Rushdoony's and North's writings, the concept that Christians are Biblically mandated to 'occupy' all secular institutions has become the central unifying ideology for the Christian Right." (italics in the original).
In a series of articles and book chapters Diamond expanded on her thesis. She called Reconstructionism "the most intellectually grounded, though esoteric, brand of dominion theology," and observed that "promoters of Reconstructionism see their role as ideological entrepreneurs committed to a long-term struggle."
So Christian Reconstructionism was the most influential form of dominion theology, and it influenced both the theological concepts and political activism of white Protestant conservative evangelicals mobilized by the Christian Right.
But very few evangelicals have even heard of dominion theology, and fewer still embrace Christian Reconstructionism. How do we explain this, especially since our critics are quick to point it out? more

The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy - Part Three, Talk To Action, December 12, 2005:

Open advocates of dominionism declare that "America is a Christian Nation," and that therefore Christians have a God-given mandate to re-assert Christian control over political, social, and cultural institutions. Yet many dominionists stop short of staking out a position that could be called theocratic. This is the "soft" version of dominionism.
The "hard" version of dominionism is explicitly theocratic or "theonomic," as the Christian Reconstructionists prefer to be called. For America, it is a distinction without a difference.

Christian Reconstructionism arose out of conservative Presbyterianism in the early 1970's. Adherents of Christian Reconstructionism believe " that every area dominated by sin must be 'reconstructed' in terms of the Bible ."

Its followers ... are attempting to peacefully convert the laws of the United States so that they match those of the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious choice and freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in which much of the world is converted to Christianity.more

The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy - Part Four, Talk To Action, December 19, 2005

From What is Christian Reconstructionism? by Frederick Clarkson:

A general outline of what the reconstructed 'Kingdom,' or confederation of Biblical theocracies, would look like emerges from the large body of Reconstructionist literature. This society would feature a minimal national government, whose main function would be defense by the armed forces. No social services would be provided outside the church, which would be responsible for 'health, education, and welfare.' A radically unfettered capitalism (except in so far as it clashed with Biblical Law) would prevail. Society would return to the gold or silver standard or abolish paper money altogether. The public schools would be abolished. Government functions, including taxes, would be primarily at the county level.
Women would be relegated primarily to the home and home schools, and would be banned from government. Those qualified to vote or hold office would be limited to males from Biblically correct churches.

Dominion theology provides the theological rationale for a "Christian" nation. John F. Sugg writes in the Weekly Planet, Tampa, Florida, March 2004:

Dominion theologians ... preached ... that it was Christians' job to take over the world and impose biblical rule. Christ would not return, they said, until the church had claimed dominion over all of the world's governments and institutions ...
In 2000, the Republican Party of Texas declared that it "affirms that the United States is a Christian nation." Last month, [February 11, 2004,] that sentiment reached the national level. The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 would acknowledge Christianity's God as the "sovereign source" of our laws. It would reach back in history and reverse all judicial decisions that have built a wall between church and state, and it would prohibit federal judges from making such rulings in the future.

From Reconstructionism to Dominionism, Part 1 by Southern Baptist Minister Bruce Prescott:

If Rushdoony and his disciples have their way, democracy will be abolished and a Christian theocracy will be established. A theocracy based on the Bible along the lines of John Cotton's Massachusetts Bay Colony. Rushdoony wrote, "The only true order is founded on Biblical Law. All law is religious in nature, and every non-Biblical law-order represents an anti-Christian religion." (p. 113) He also made it clear that he expects that force will be necessary to impose such order, "Every law-order is in a state of war against the enemies of that order, and all law is a form of warfare." (p. 93)

From Reconstructionism to Dominionism, Part 2 by Southern Baptist Minister Bruce Prescott::

Despite their differences over the tactics and strategy, all Reconstructionists are committed to making the laws of Ancient Israel the law of the land in the U.S.

A Nation Under God, by John Sugg in Mother Jones, December/January Issue (see whole issue, but this article is a particular favorite of mine -- great update on the Christian Reconstruction movement)

From: The Covert Kingdom -- Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Texas, Joe Bageant www.dissidentvoice.org May 18, 2004:

Christian Reconstructionism has for decades exerted one hell of an influence through its scores of books, publications and classes taught in colleges and universities. Over the past 30 years, Reconstructionist doctrine has permeated not only the religious right, but mainstream churches as well, via the charismatic movement. Its impact on politics and religion in this nation have been massive, with many mainstream churches pushed rightward by pervasive Reconstructionism, without even knowing it.

Kingdom Now/Dominion/Restoration theology, Talk To Action, December 19, 2005

The Rise of Dominionism: Remaking America as a Christian Nation by Frederick Clarkson, The Public Eye

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Osama Bin Laden is dead !

by troubled mind in

Terra Incognita

Charlie Brown Jr.:"Wonder what the Brothers will say from the platform about this????"

They'll either say nothing or claim that it too is a sign from God. It probably depends on the mood of the elder.

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by jamiebowers in

on abc special news bulletin now..

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Thetrueone:

What does that have to do with modern civilized societies ?

What point are you trying to make in relation to the Islamic doctrines of the Quran ?

Before you read the article below, realize that Sarah Palin and her husband are Christain Dominionists:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Also see:

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n1/chrisrec.html

Dominionism and Dominion Theology

http://www.theocracywatch.org/dominionism.htm

Dominionism and Dominion Theology are not denominations or faith groups. Rather, they are interrelated beliefs which are followed by members of a wide range of Christian denominations.

In his article on dominionism, researcher and author Chip Berlet credits sociologist Sara Diamond with popularizing the term dominionism as "a growing political tendency in the Christian Right." Diamond defined dominionism in 1995 as:

Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns--and there is no consensus on when that might be.

"Dominionism," Berlet writes, "is .. a tendency among Protestant Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists that encourages them to not only be active political participants in civic society, but also seek to dominate the political process as part of a mandate from God.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (King James Version).
"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'" (New International Version).
The vast majority of Christians read this text and conclude that God has appointed them stewards and caretakers of Earth. As Sara Diamond explains, however, some Christian read the text and believe, "that Christians alone are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns--and there is no consensus on when that might be." That, in a nutshell, is the idea of "dominionism."

The Christian Right, Dominionism and Theocracy - Part II by Chip Berlet, December 5, 2005:

In her 1989 book Spiritual Warfare , sociologist Sara Diamond discussed how dominionism as an ideological tendency in the Christian Right had been significantly influenced by Christian Reconstructionism. Over the past 20 years the leading proponents of Christian Reconstructionism and dominion theology have included Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, Gary North, Greg Bahnsen, David Chilton, Gary DeMar, and Andrew Sandlin.
Diamond explained that "the primary importance of the [Christian Reconstructionist] ideology is its role as a catalyst for what is loosely called 'dominion theology.'" According to Diamond, "Largely through the impact of Rushdoony's and North's writings, the concept that Christians are Biblically mandated to 'occupy' all secular institutions has become the central unifying ideology for the Christian Right." (italics in the original).
In a series of articles and book chapters Diamond expanded on her thesis. She called Reconstructionism "the most intellectually grounded, though esoteric, brand of dominion theology," and observed that "promoters of Reconstructionism see their role as ideological entrepreneurs committed to a long-term struggle."
So Christian Reconstructionism was the most influential form of dominion theology, and it influenced both the theological concepts and political activism of white Protestant conservative evangelicals mobilized by the Christian Right.
But very few evangelicals have even heard of dominion theology, and fewer still embrace Christian Reconstructionism. How do we explain this, especially since our critics are quick to point it out? more

The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy - Part Three, Talk To Action, December 12, 2005:

Open advocates of dominionism declare that "America is a Christian Nation," and that therefore Christians have a God-given mandate to re-assert Christian control over political, social, and cultural institutions. Yet many dominionists stop short of staking out a position that could be called theocratic. This is the "soft" version of dominionism.
The "hard" version of dominionism is explicitly theocratic or "theonomic," as the Christian Reconstructionists prefer to be called. For America, it is a distinction without a difference.

Christian Reconstructionism arose out of conservative Presbyterianism in the early 1970's. Adherents of Christian Reconstructionism believe " that every area dominated by sin must be 'reconstructed' in terms of the Bible ."

Its followers ... are attempting to peacefully convert the laws of the United States so that they match those of the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious choice and freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in which much of the world is converted to Christianity.more

The Christian Right, Dominionism, and Theocracy - Part Four, Talk To Action, December 19, 2005

From What is Christian Reconstructionism? by Frederick Clarkson:

A general outline of what the reconstructed 'Kingdom,' or confederation of Biblical theocracies, would look like emerges from the large body of Reconstructionist literature. This society would feature a minimal national government, whose main function would be defense by the armed forces. No social services would be provided outside the church, which would be responsible for 'health, education, and welfare.' A radically unfettered capitalism (except in so far as it clashed with Biblical Law) would prevail. Society would return to the gold or silver standard or abolish paper money altogether. The public schools would be abolished. Government functions, including taxes, would be primarily at the county level.
Women would be relegated primarily to the home and home schools, and would be banned from government. Those qualified to vote or hold office would be limited to males from Biblically correct churches.

Dominion theology provides the theological rationale for a "Christian" nation. John F. Sugg writes in the Weekly Planet, Tampa, Florida, March 2004:

Dominion theologians ... preached ... that it was Christians' job to take over the world and impose biblical rule. Christ would not return, they said, until the church had claimed dominion over all of the world's governments and institutions ...
In 2000, the Republican Party of Texas declared that it "affirms that the United States is a Christian nation." Last month, [February 11, 2004,] that sentiment reached the national level. The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 would acknowledge Christianity's God as the "sovereign source" of our laws. It would reach back in history and reverse all judicial decisions that have built a wall between church and state, and it would prohibit federal judges from making such rulings in the future.

From Reconstructionism to Dominionism, Part 1 by Southern Baptist Minister Bruce Prescott:

If Rushdoony and his disciples have their way, democracy will be abolished and a Christian theocracy will be established. A theocracy based on the Bible along the lines of John Cotton's Massachusetts Bay Colony. Rushdoony wrote, "The only true order is founded on Biblical Law. All law is religious in nature, and every non-Biblical law-order represents an anti-Christian religion." (p. 113) He also made it clear that he expects that force will be necessary to impose such order, "Every law-order is in a state of war against the enemies of that order, and all law is a form of warfare." (p. 93)

From Reconstructionism to Dominionism, Part 2 by Southern Baptist Minister Bruce Prescott::

Despite their differences over the tactics and strategy, all Reconstructionists are committed to making the laws of Ancient Israel the law of the land in the U.S.

A Nation Under God, by John Sugg in Mother Jones, December/January Issue (see whole issue, but this article is a particular favorite of mine -- great update on the Christian Reconstruction movement)

From: The Covert Kingdom -- Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Texas, Joe Bageant www.dissidentvoice.org May 18, 2004:

Christian Reconstructionism has for decades exerted one hell of an influence through its scores of books, publications and classes taught in colleges and universities. Over the past 30 years, Reconstructionist doctrine has permeated not only the religious right, but mainstream churches as well, via the charismatic movement. Its impact on politics and religion in this nation have been massive, with many mainstream churches pushed rightward by pervasive Reconstructionism, without even knowing it.

Kingdom Now/Dominion/Restoration theology, Talk To Action, December 19, 2005

The Rise of Dominionism: Remaking America as a Christian Nation by Frederick Clarkson, The Public Eye

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Osama bin Laden is Dead

by jamiebowers in

on abc special news bulletin now..

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Sam Whiskey:

Nice try Terra BS. That was 2,000 years ago, this is TODAY.

Will you be making a trip to Islamabad anytime soon? .......No? Why? Afraid you'll get your throat slit?

Christian Terrorists Kill 44, Wound 118 in Attacks in Northeast India-http://www.stephen-knapp.com/christian_terrorists_kill_44.htm

GUWAHATI, India (AFP)

October 2, 2004

Some 44 people were killed and 118 wounded in three nearly simultaneous bomb blasts Saturday morning in Dimapur, Nagaland's commercial hub, in what a top official called the "worst ever terrorist strike" in the tiny state's history.

Gunmen in neighbouring Assam state later killed 15 villagers and injured a dozen more, police said.

"There were limbs everywhere and blood was splattered all over," said student leader T. Zheviho who was at crowded Dimapur railway station where one bomb exploded as passengers awaited a train.

Two other bombs went off in the Hong Kong market, which sells Chinese goods, and an adjacent market.

"I had a miraculous escape," Zheviho told AFP by telephone from Dimapur, 70 kilometers (45 miles) east of Nagaland capital Kohima.
Police said the plastic explosive RDX appeared to have been used in the railway blast that created a huge crater beside a platform.

"We found a briefcase with fuse wires, it contained RDX and a timer-device," V. Peseyie, Dimapur additional police chief, said.

Seventeen more people were killed in a wave of attacks in neighbouring Assam, police said.

Unidentified attackers raked shoppers with gunfire at a marketplace in Makri Jhora village, 290 kilometres (180 miles) west of Assam's main city of Guwahati, killing 11 and injuring about a dozen, police said.

The same gunmen later shot dead four more villagers in a nearby forest, police superintendent L. R. Bishnoi told AFP. Two more people were killed and 10 injured in two blasts in the Assamese district of Bongaingaon, 220 kilometres (136 miles) from Guwahati, Bishnoi said.

One person was killed and seven wounded in an earlier bomb blast in Assam.

Police also reported two other bombings in a village on the outskirts of Guwahati in which four people were injured.

There were no immediate claims of responsibility for the day of bloodshed in the insurgency-infested northeast where some 30 guerrilla groups are battling for greater autonomy or independence.

The attacks occurred as India marked the 135th anniversary of the birth of Mahatma Gandhi who waged a campaign of non-violence to free the country from British rule.

"It is distressing such violence broke out on the birth anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi," Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in the capital New Delhi.

Nagaland's ill-equipped hospitals battled to treat the wounded.

"Many have multiple face and abdomen wounds. They're in a state of trauma. We're trying to cope. We've never had such a devastating emergency," said doctor T. Lotha at a private hospital in Dimapur treating blast victims.

Nagaland Chief Minister Neibhiu Rio said at least 26 people were killed in the Dimapur blasts and another 86 were in hospital. "The death toll may go up as many are in a very critical condition," he said.

"This is the worst ever terrorist strike in Nagaland. People are still dealing with the shock -- they're not yet thinking about who to blame."

Mourners crowded churches across Nagaland, which is mostly Christian, to pray for the victims.

The blasts were the second major burst of violence in the northeast since mid-August. Fifteen people, many of them children, were killed in a rebel attack on an Independence Day parade in Assam August 15 for which the United Liberation Front of Asom claimed responsibility.

The armed insurgency in Nagaland began soon after much of the local population converted to Christianity. Many militant groups, seeking to secede from India to form an independent Christian state, are funded and armed by the Southern Baptist Church. Some of the groups such as the National Liberation Front of Tripura have been involved in a campaign of “gunpoint conversions” and “ethnic cleansing” of native non-Christians, which has left over 50,000 dead and many more refugees over the past two decades.

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by jamiebowers in

on abc special news bulletin now..

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Sam Whiskey:

These Christian extremists do not have the power YET to have a major impact on this nation. But it's simply a matter of time. You can get a sense of that by the following list:

Shelley Shannon, who murdered the abortion doctor George Tiller, was associated with the following Christian extremist group...
An organization Known as the Army of God which sanctions violence against abortion doctors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Violence_by_Army_of_God
Another Christian terrorist organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant,_The_Sword,_and_the_Arm_of_the_Lord
The shooting at a Jewish day care center was carried out by a member of the Phineas Priesthood : http://www.adl.org/backgrounders/an_phineas.asp
A group called Concerned Christians, who disappeared from their homes and jobs and went to Israel in order to destroy a Muslim Mosque. This was suppoed to facilitate the return of Christ. They were discovered and deported by Israeli authorities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerned_Christians
The Hutaree Christian Militia who were arrested in polce raids in two states for planning to kill police officers. They thought that the Antichrist would be supported by local, state and federal police deprtments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree
There are even Christian extremist groups in other countries like India. One of them is known as The National Liberation Front of Tripura. This group is described as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world. It has forced Hindus to convert to Christianity at gunpoint. It receives arms from a local Baptist church which is said to encourage them to kill Hindus, particularly their infants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#India

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by jamiebowers in

on abc special news bulletin now..

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Sam Whiskey:

Isn't it painfully clear that the Muslim's want to rule the world through Sharia Law? Seriously, why can't the "Muslim Lovers" pull their heads out thier butts and see that they are the target! When a knife is slitting your throat, it will be too late to lament that you "didn't understand".

You better wake up people.....!!

Thetrueone:

The US and any peaceful law abiding country should ban this religion to operate in their respective

countries for it incites hatred toward those not of this particular faith.

Not only it incites hatred but may to certain extremists of this faith, may incite to murder in the

name of their faith.

* * * * *

1. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves.

a. Non Israelites taken as slaves for life. (Lv 25:44-46)

b. A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him along with his children. (Ex 21:2-6; De 15:12-18)

c. An ‘eye for an eye’ did not apply when they took their slaves eye out. (Ex 21:26,27 compare to Lv 24:19-21)

d. They could beat their slave savagely with a stick so long as he or she did not die within a day or two. (Ex 21:20,21 compare to Ex 2:11,12)

2. Exterminate thy neighbors. (Lev 19:18)

a. All of them some of the time. (De 3:1-6)

b. Men only at other times. Women and children are plunder. (De 20:10-18)

c. Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes. (Nu 31:13-18)

3. How the Israelites treated their ladies.

They executed the victim of rape if she was engaged to be married. (De 22:23,24)
They forced the victim of rape to marry her rapist if she was single. (De 22:28,29)
She’s got some balls. Women get their hands cut off for defending their husbands. (De 25:11,12)
A man could sell his daughter into slavery. ( Ex 21:7-11 )

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